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RNR FB and G4 proto's!!!

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Aloha ALL,

Welp, I got the "go" to share about some of my latest designs coming out of the Boker Plus Line. I apologize in advance for the terrible pics, but I was losing natural light pretty fast because it has been VERY Voggy here lately. Ahhhhh, nuthin' like the taste of sulphur in the morning!
Cripes...

Anyway, let's take a look at my misunderstood RNR FB!!!
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Size comp with the EDIT FB:
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YES...it is has a very odd blade shape. See, I like Kiradaishi's, but how the heck do you design a "new" one? I know a lot of them look the same for a reason, but...well, I decided to change it up a bit by adding a BIG belly to the underside of a Kira. Whoa!!! Looked kinda freaky, but when going through mock cutting with my proto, it proved to be functional. In fact, it was fun to watch the peers I shared my proto with go through all the, "cutting possibilities" with this odd shaped, RNR.

NOW...I have a real steel production prototype sent to me by Boker Germany. It is bead blasted 440C, and has Camo-Cutouts in the 1/8" thick handle. You can add a fob/lanyard at the furthest rear cutout, but I placed mine in the one right before it...to enable the lanyard to be gripped between my pniky and ring finger. Today, the RNR zipped through semi-soaking-wet cardboard (!!!), Gardenia branches, foam cups, yaaaaaaaaawn. It performed "Kira Push Cutting" very well...
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I whittled on a broken clothespin and it yielded interesting results. When I used the RNR belly, the shaving was very thin and controlled. When I used the front of the RNR in "Kira-Fashion", there was a difference in depth. This I will attribute to the circular as opposed to a straight edge. I also cut some thick weeds to simulate cutting on a flat surface by using a "rocking motion" with the RNR. THAT worked great. I HATE them weeds pictured, but I had fun "Rockin' N Rolling" them into pieces!!!
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The Camo-Cutouts afforded an excellent grip, and did not hurt the hand during use. The in hand shots show how much finger clearance ya get with the RNR! So basically, ya got a BIG belly for shearing cuts as well as an abrupt forward "kiradaishi-type" edge for push cutting, scraping, etc...In terms of SD use...Ho...THAT is a whole nuther story, but all I can say is: YEAH!!!
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Now...let's move onto my G4. "G4" means that this folder can be gripped in "normal", edge up forward, "ice pick", and edge in downward: 4 grips! (D'Oh!!!) The scales are steel lined G10, and is a liner lock ala Walker. Blade is 440C and coated black. Initially, this had a Spyderco Civilian-ish blade, and a Flipper ala Carson...but once that new German Law was passed, the flipper was removed, and the blade shape had to change. BUMMER. However...

This G4 Wharncliffe is a lightsaber for sure!!! The handle is roomy for any sized hand, ya got "room to spare" during manipulation (with gloves or without), and for using the G4 as an impact tool. I had a co-worker today hit me with the pommel while the G4 was opened, and um, yeah it friggin' hurt!
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I will take better pics when sunlight allows, but for now, whatcha guys think?

Mahalo MUCH for checking this out, and God bless!
 
Hey Chad,

"Voggy"? Sulphur? No wonder your knife designs sometimes look so… hellishly freaky. ;)

That's what I thought of the RNR at first… well, it looks kinda like a kiridashi, but wouldn't a traditional shape be better suited? What is one to do with that large belly? Sharpening that blade shape also didn't seem too inviting.

But I have to say, you've got me intrigued there with all your pictures. I'm not convinced of the practicality of the design, but for sure I'd like to try it out, maybe there's something to it. But the belly seems a little short for rocking cutting motions. But I also really like kiridashis, so – maybe it really is like a "kiridashi plus". But, but, but. Would have to do a little testing to say for sure.

I also think the "camo" cutouts are a huge aesthetic improvement over the simple cutouts in earlier designs.

On the G4, I think the straight blade shape also is an improvement over the originally talon shaped blade – much more utility. Long, pointy wharncliffe, grip-neutral handle, if the blade is nice and thin, what's there not to like? Pity though about the flipper…

Gruß,

Nikolas (Nick)
 
Mahalo Nick,

WHAT??? ONLY ONE post??? Hmmmmmm...:argw:

Anyway, thanks for your comments and doubts about the RNR. People had the same reaction when Glocks first came out ya know.:hehe:

Have a great day, and thank you!
God bless,
Chad
www.clbdesign.info
 
Hello Chad,

It may sound weird, but I feel as if you added more "life" to your recent designs.
In fact, although you call them "camo"-cutouts on the handle of the RNR, they seem to be of an organic origin or to resemble some "flowing lava" structures more than being all "tactical-technical". :super:
The same with the G4 scales, where the grooves remind me of bamboo.

I would need to hold those knives in my hand, before i make any judgements about their usefulness, but i have already been thinking about purchasing the RNR before your presentation here. It looks as if it could fit in my scheme - somewhat weird looks and multifunctional. :super: Would it be possible, that you post a picture comparing it to the classic Subcom FB, as i only know that one? And, by the way, how thick will it be and what would the sheath look like?

Truly both are recognizable as your design but there is an evolution compared to the "old" CLB knives, which is always good. I am sure, they will find their fans among knive-addicted people like us as well as those who can appreciate unusual designs as practical solutions for their tasks.

It is very sad, that our legal situation in Germany limits the possibilities of carrying what is practical on a knife - like thumbstuds or a carson flipper - in concern of the economic success it would have on our inland market. But otherwise, adaption is also a very important point in evolution, isn´t it ;)

Bye,

Daniel

P.S.:
A smaller, yet sturdy two-finger (plus thumb) neckie-version of the RNR spooked around in my imagination while I wrote this - how would you think about that?
 
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The G4 is certainly something unusual with the bladeform, but it's a one-hand-knife, so I am no longer interested here in Germany. I have already enough folders sitting in a drawer.


The RNR on the other hand really caught my eye. I always wanted to get a kiridashi, but that isn't really an all-purpose-knife.
Your idea of adding a belly to the blade seems really useful. Even the camo-cutouts work somehow and look more dynamic than the cutouts in the FB Subcom.

What can you tell about the measurements, especially the bladelength?
 
Aloha Chad,

that folder blade style looks good. However, I don't think that the blade shape or a flipper make any difference in the German law (except dagger blade). It's lockable one handed folders in general that are difficult to carry legally now in Germany (legal reason).

The best answer to this law are fixed blade knives with a blade length below 12cm (= arround 4,7 inches), which are not restricted by the new laws.

So if you want to make more knives for the German customers, I think the best way would be to make more fixed blades, two hand opened folders or one hand opened folders without a lock.

Hello from Vienna, Austria!
Tom
 
RogerRabbit schrieb:
[...] or one hand opened folders without a lock.
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....
Since the interpretation of the law is still a bit uncertain, I am treating this type like a normal locking one-hand-knife. But thats only my opinion.


Who told you to change the G4? Because your changes do not help. The bladeshape (except daggers, like RogerRabbit said) and the type of one-hand-opening device isn't important. Since the G4 still has a pin for the thumb and a (long enough for one-hand-opening?) flipper, you still need a "legal reason" for carrying it. Transport and posession are not restricted.


The RNR looks definitely under 12 cm bladelength, so there shouldn't be a problem.
 
All technical data about the RNR are to be found HERE.

So far the knife is not available (peorder is possible, of course), but it seems to be a god idea to start a passaround with the RNR ASAP.

I will start a seperate thread for the passaround, so please wait until the thread is started!

Die technischen Daten zum RNR findet Ihr HIER.

Und zu gegebener Zeit sollte ich dann wohl mal einen RNR-Passaround starten.

Bitte Anmeldungen erst, wenn ich dazu einen eigenen Thread öffne!
 
Wie sieht's denn mit diesem G4-Folder aus?
Ist da was Definitives zu erfahren, ob und wann das Teil erhältlich ist?
Einhand hin oder her, ich hab täglich zig ädaquate Gründe, das Ding tragen zu dürfen.
Bitte Infos zu dem Messer !!!

M.G.
 
Mephistopheles schrieb:
Hello Chad,

It may sound weird, but I feel as if you added more "life" to your recent designs.
In fact, although you call them "camo"-cutouts on the handle of the RNR, they seem to be of an organic origin or to resemble some "flowing lava" structures more than being all "tactical-technical". :super:
The same with the G4 scales, where the grooves remind me of bamboo.

I would need to hold those knives in my hand, before i make any judgements about their usefulness, but i have already been thinking about purchasing the RNR before your presentation here. It looks as if it could fit in my scheme - somewhat weird looks and multifunctional. :super: Would it be possible, that you post a picture comparing it to the classic Subcom FB, as i only know that one? And, by the way, how thick will it be and what would the sheath look like?

Truly both are recognizable as your design but there is an evolution compared to the "old" CLB knives, which is always good. I am sure, they will find their fans among knive-addicted people like us as well as those who can appreciate unusual designs as practical solutions for their tasks.

It is very sad, that our legal situation in Germany limits the possibilities of carrying what is practical on a knife - like thumbstuds or a carson flipper - in concern of the economic success it would have on our inland market. But otherwise, adaption is also a very important point in evolution, isn´t it ;)

Bye,

Daniel

P.S.:
A smaller, yet sturdy two-finger (plus thumb) neckie-version of the RNR spooked around in my imagination while I wrote this - how would you think about that?
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....


Aloha Daniel,

Thanks for your reply. Hmmmmmm, you see it as "life", some see it as, "What the heck?":irre:

Per your request, here are pics of the RNR and the Subcom FB:
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Not sure on the exact specifics of the RNR, but it is thinner than the SFB and I was told it will have a KYDEX sheath.:super:

As for a two finger version...uh...I already DO have a variant of one...:hehe:

God bless and mahalo much!
Chad
www.clbdesign.info
 
MojoMC schrieb:
The G4 is certainly something unusual with the bladeform, but it's a one-hand-knife, so I am no longer interested here in Germany. I have already enough folders sitting in a drawer.


The RNR on the other hand really caught my eye. I always wanted to get a kiridashi, but that isn't really an all-purpose-knife.
Your idea of adding a belly to the blade seems really useful. Even the camo-cutouts work somehow and look more dynamic than the cutouts in the FB Subcom.

What can you tell about the measurements, especially the bladelength?
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....

Aloha MojoMC,

Thanks for your observations on the belly of the RNR. I have always LOVED Kiradaishi knives...but...

As for specs, I think Marc put a link to them in one of his posts here.

God bless and mahalo much!
Chad
www.clbdesign.info
 
RogerRabbit schrieb:
Aloha Chad,

that folder blade style looks good. However, I don't think that the blade shape or a flipper make any difference in the German law (except dagger blade). It's lockable one handed folders in general that are difficult to carry legally now in Germany (legal reason).

The best answer to this law are fixed blade knives with a blade length below 12cm (= arround 4,7 inches), which are not restricted by the new laws.

So if you want to make more knives for the German customers, I think the best way would be to make more fixed blades, two hand opened folders or one hand opened folders without a lock.

Hello from Vienna, Austria!
Tom
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....


Aloha Tom!

LONG time no see my friend, and thanks for the input...Fixed Blades, eh?:hehe:

Personally, I prefer a two hand opening folder WITH a lock...:steirer:

God bless and you take care!
Chad
www.clbdesign.info
 
MojoMC schrieb:
Since the interpretation of the law is still a bit uncertain, I am treating this type like a normal locking one-hand-knife. But thats only my opinion.


Who told you to change the G4? Because your changes do not help. The bladeshape (except daggers, like RogerRabbit said) and the type of one-hand-opening device isn't important. Since the G4 still has a pin for the thumb and a (long enough for one-hand-opening?) flipper, you still need a "legal reason" for carrying it. Transport and posession are not restricted.


The RNR looks definitely under 12 cm bladelength, so there shouldn't be a problem.
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....


Aloha again buddy,

Well, Boker made the changes on the G4. The flipper ala Carson on the G4 needs some "fine tuning", so it should NOT be protruding in the least. The thumbstuds on the G4 are removeable for TWO handed opening...:hehe:

God bless!
Chad
www.clbdesign.info:ahaa:
 
beagleboy schrieb:
All technical data about the RNR are to be found HERE.

So far the knife is not available (peorder is possible, of course), but it seems to be a god idea to start a passaround with the RNR ASAP.

I will start a seperate thread for the passaround, so please wait until the thread is started!

Die technischen Daten zum RNR findet Ihr HIER.

Und zu gegebener Zeit sollte ich dann wohl mal einen RNR-Passaround starten.

Bitte Anmeldungen erst, wenn ich dazu einen eigenen Thread öffne!
Zum Vergrößern anklicken....

Mahalo much Marc!

Great to see you, and regards to the crew...ya blessed bastid YOU!!!:steirer:

God bless you and yours bro!
Chad
 
Aloha ALL,

Just some pics I took today of the RNR doing some "food prep" on a guava from my yard...;)

I did NOT slice this fruit...I placed the tip of the RNR on the "cutting board" and simply "rocked" the knife back and forth when it needed to be rocked, but it actually did well push cutting. Kind of like that old paper cutter we had in school.:steirer:
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"Rock N Rolling" the other half of the fruit...
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I then figured I would try to dice the fruit, which the RNR did very well...
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I then used the WIDE blade of the RNR as a spatula...talk about versatile! Try this with a skinny blade!!!:glgl:
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Just wanted to share with you guys...take care and God bless!
Chad
www.clbdesign.info:super:
 
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