Friedrich Wilhem Backhaus’s Stern farmer knives

[Arie Leib]

Hello friends
After a long absence I am back with you. I could not resist and bought two farmers knives under the Stern brand from FW Backhaus. I will be glad if you help me to gather more information about them. Apparently they are made of carbon steel, as there is no rostfrei stamp anywhere. The scales of the small knife seem to be made of black horn, but I am not sure. The material of the scales of the large knife is unknown to me. Also on it is installed the coat of arms of the city of Daugavpils which is located in Latvia. Until 1920 this city was called Dvinsk, and until 1893 it had the German name Dunaburg. Your opinions and comments are always welcome. Enjoy
By the way, thanks again to our knife experts Kaiman and Abu for helping to identify the stamp.

 

[Abu]

Hi @Arie Leib, glad to see you back here. Two nice examples of so called „Farmersknives“ / Tuttlinger Bauernmesser.
I guess that larger one has scales of horn, too, with a kind of jigged horn?
Strange is the shield, as coat of arms of that Village is very different. Might have been a personified issue.

Abu

 

[Arie Leib]

Hi @Arie Leib, glad to see you back here. Two nice examples of so called „Farmersknives“ / Tuttlinger Bauernmesser.
I guess that larger one has scales of horn, too, with a kind of jigged horn?
Strange is the shield, as coat of arms of that Village is very different. Might have been a personified issue.

Abu

Thank you, dear Abu.
Your opinion is especially valuable to me. If I understood you correctly, these knives are not from Solingen, but from Tuttlingen?
I can assume that the coat of arms of the town of Daugavpils is a badge from the USSR, when Latvia was a union republic. I have seen such badges with pins attached to jackets.

 

[Abu]

If I understood you correctly, these knives are not from Solingen, but from Tuttlingen?

I don’t know where Backhaus was located, as I am out. (By chance in Tuttlingen🙄)
What I meant is the type of those knives, which are named „Tuttlinger“.

Abu

 

[Arie Leib]

I don’t know where Backhaus was located, as I am out. (By chance in Tuttlingen🙄)
What I meant is the type of those knives, which are named „Tuttlinger“.

Abu

Now I get it. Tuttlingen is a generic name for a farmer's knife.
The directory says that the company Backhaus is from Solingen.

 

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... Two nice examples of so called „Farmersknives“ / Tuttlinger Bauernmesser.
I guess that larger one has scales of horn, too, with a kind of jigged horn? … What I meant is the type of knives which are named „Tuttlinger“.

F.W. Backhaus definitively was a cutler from Solingen and crafted this style of ‚farmer’s pocket knives’ in different options. Both Backhaus and several more Solingen manufacturers of this particular knife pattern did not use the term „Tuttlinger“ or „Tuttlinger Bauernmesser“.
By mind such terms do not show up in any Tuttlingen cutler‘s vintage sales catalog or paperwork. The „Tuttlinger“ terms were „created“ by knife collectors sometime during the last decades.
regards
cut

 

[Arie Leib]

F.W. Backhaus definitively was a cutler from Solingen and crafted this style of ‚farmer’s pocket knives’ in different options. Both Backhaus and several more Solingen manufacturers of this particular knife pattern did not use the term „Tuttlinger“ or „Tuttlinger Bauernmesser“.
By mind such terms do not show up in any Tuttlingen cutler‘s vintage sales catalog or paperwork. The „Tuttlinger“ terms were „created“ by knife collectors sometime during the last decades.
regards
cut

My respects, Cut
As always very informative 👌

 

[Rudi_57]

Today's views of the Dürer-Haus:
Albrecht-Dürer-Haus – Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht-Dürer-Haus)
Albrecht Dürer's House - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_Dürer%27s_House)

 

[Arie Leib]

Today's views of the Dürer-Haus:
Albrecht-Dürer-Haus – Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht-Dürer-Haus)
Albrecht Dürer's House - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_Dürer%27s_House)

Rudy, you are the only one who appreciated my knife box, thank you, I appreciate it 😉

 

[Brille2]

Meiner Meinung nach ist das kein kein Backhaus.
Backhaus hatte zwar auch diesen Stern aber nur in Verbindung mit einem Kreuz
"a cross below a star" = ein Kreuz unter einem Stern
(German Knife and Sword Makers Seite 83)
Der "Stempel" Stahl und Stern auf der Klinge hat meiner Meinung nach die Bedeutung, das die Klinge aus Böhlerstahl
gefertigt worden ist (Böhlerstern)
"Als Firmenzeichen wurde der sechszackige Stern (Böhlerstern) der.............)
1914 errichtete Böhler ein Stahlwerk in Meerbusch (Niederrhein) an der Stadtgrenze nach Düsseldorf (Areal Böhler)
Böhler-Uddeholm – Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Böhler-Uddeholm)
Beispiele
#11
Böhlerstahl (https://forum-der-rasur.de/forum/threads/böhlerstahl.8199)
#1 und #4
C.F. Becker / Karl Becker Solingen (KABESO) (https://forum-der-rasur.de/forum/threads/c-f-becker-karl-becker-solingen-kabeso.2808)

In my opinion, this isn't a Backhaus.
Backhaus also had this star, but only in conjunction with a cross.
"a cross below a star" = a cross below a star
(German Knife and Sword Makers page 83)

The "stamp" steel and star on the blade, in my opinion, means that the blade was made of Böhler steel.
(Böhler star)
"The six-pointed star (Böhler star) was adopted as the company logo..............)
In 1914, Böhler built a steelworks in Meerbusch (Lower Rhine) on the city border with Düsseldorf (Böhler site).

 

[Arie Leib]

Meiner Meinung nach ist das kein kein Backhaus.
Backhaus hatte zwar auch diesen Stern aber nur in Verbindung mit einem Kreuz
"a cross below a star" = ein Kreuz unter einem Stern
(German Knife and Sword Makers Seite 83)
Der "Stempel" Stahl und Stern auf der Klinge hat meiner Meinung nach die Bedeutung, das die Klinge aus Böhlerstahl
gefertigt worden ist (Böhlerstern)
"Als Firmenzeichen wurde der sechszackige Stern (Böhlerstern) der.............)
1914 errichtete Böhler ein Stahlwerk in Meerbusch (Niederrhein) an der Stadtgrenze nach Düsseldorf (Areal Böhler)
Böhler-Uddeholm – Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Böhler-Uddeholm)
Beispiele
#11
Böhlerstahl (https://forum-der-rasur.de/forum/threads/böhlerstahl.8199)
#1 und #4
C.F. Becker / Karl Becker Solingen (KABESO) (https://forum-der-rasur.de/forum/threads/c-f-becker-karl-becker-solingen-kabeso.2808)

In my opinion, this isn't a Backhaus.
Backhaus also had this star, but only in conjunction with a cross.
"a cross below a star" = a cross below a star
(German Knife and Sword Makers page 83)

The "stamp" steel and star on the blade, in my opinion, means that the blade was made of Böhler steel.
(Böhler star)
"The six-pointed star (Böhler star) was adopted as the company logo..............)
In 1914, Böhler built a steelworks in Meerbusch (Lower Rhine) on the city border with Düsseldorf (Böhler site).

Hello
and thank you for sharing your alternative opinion. It's very important to us. Yes, it could very well be a Bohler star. I think only old Backhaus catalogs can provide definitive clarity.