Verbal Kint
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Hi, and welcome. Use imgeshack or an equivalent to post pictures in your comment. perhaps you might be better off in the vintage knives section but the guess is, the mods will move your topic anyway. good luck.
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Micha
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Here are the two pictures
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4037544986/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4037545182/sizes/m/
the base of the knife is 65 mm and made of bone/blades on each end bigger one 55 mm
and little one 30 mm
If there is a better place for this question please move it there.
I have looked all old German knife manufactors logos but not find this one. I got the knife from Ausralia when bought a lot of knives.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4037544986/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4037545182/sizes/m/
the base of the knife is 65 mm and made of bone/blades on each end bigger one 55 mm
and little one 30 mm
If there is a better place for this question please move it there.
I have looked all old German knife manufactors logos but not find this one. I got the knife from Ausralia when bought a lot of knives.
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Thanks a lot for your help so far!
here is the whole taschenmesser
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4036878559/sizes/l/
here is the whole taschenmesser
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4036878559/sizes/l/
Kane Cutlery is a familybrand from Case Pocketknives. Seems to be a classic case knife with a blade manufactured in Germany.
edit: http://www.wrcase.com/tales_&_traditions/family_brands/tree/kane/index.php
edit: http://www.wrcase.com/tales_&_traditions/family_brands/tree/kane/index.php
Thanks a lot!
Kane Cutlery has been changed to Kane Kutlery. Is it possible that when blades have been made in Germany someone has done this mistake in writing?
Do I understand this correctly - this knife is made in the beginning of 19th, 1905-1916?
Does someone know the worth of this knife?
Kane Cutlery has been changed to Kane Kutlery. Is it possible that when blades have been made in Germany someone has done this mistake in writing?
Do I understand this correctly - this knife is made in the beginning of 19th, 1905-1916?
Does someone know the worth of this knife?
I found new information from web
"Kane Industries, originally named Kane Kutlery after founder John Kane, today is a leading importer of high quality housewares for the retail grocery, drug, and other mass-market retail channels. From what was literally a one-man operation started in a garage in Los Angeles, Kane opened for business in 1957. The company’s first products consisted of hardlines including, scissors and knives, fueling the company's initial success. Many of the first people whom Kane hired remain at the company today, still a part of the Kane family almost 50 years later. Kane soon outgrew its modest birthplace. In it's first decade of operation, no fewer than three moves were required to accommodate the booming business."
source:
http://www.kane-home.com/index.php?link=story&PHPSESSID=31c72d5e2c593022fb3294bec0cbe8bf
I found an other Kane Kutlery knife on this forum
http://www.bladeforums.com
and there is a knife like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4042569523/sizes/o/
Owner of the knife above have writen about that knife
"Favorite EDC folders- a Kane Kutlery scout from Betram Cutlery (must be Bertram Cutlery=german?)"
There are lot of things that do not go together in this Kane Kulery case.
More information needed!
"Kane Industries, originally named Kane Kutlery after founder John Kane, today is a leading importer of high quality housewares for the retail grocery, drug, and other mass-market retail channels. From what was literally a one-man operation started in a garage in Los Angeles, Kane opened for business in 1957. The company’s first products consisted of hardlines including, scissors and knives, fueling the company's initial success. Many of the first people whom Kane hired remain at the company today, still a part of the Kane family almost 50 years later. Kane soon outgrew its modest birthplace. In it's first decade of operation, no fewer than three moves were required to accommodate the booming business."
source:
http://www.kane-home.com/index.php?link=story&PHPSESSID=31c72d5e2c593022fb3294bec0cbe8bf
I found an other Kane Kutlery knife on this forum
http://www.bladeforums.com
and there is a knife like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4042569523/sizes/o/
Owner of the knife above have writen about that knife
"Favorite EDC folders- a Kane Kutlery scout from Betram Cutlery (must be Bertram Cutlery=german?)"
There are lot of things that do not go together in this Kane Kulery case.
More information needed!
Yes I know that Hen and Rooster is a mark of Bertram Cutlery but did not know the connection to Böker.
I have just the same kind of knife (all measurements and allmost same blades - little different in can opener) made by Hugo Köller
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4045282325/sizes/l/
I think this my Hugo Köller is quite old - before WWII?
I have just the same kind of knife (all measurements and allmost same blades - little different in can opener) made by Hugo Köller
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4045282325/sizes/l/
I think this my Hugo Köller is quite old - before WWII?
blackfox
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Sorry, that wasn't my intention. I only wanted to show that these knives were made and are still made by different manufacturers (what you obviously already knew). As far as I know there is no connection to Böker. When Bertram was closed, the mark went to Klaas. You can still buy knifes similar to yours marked with Hen and Rooster made by Klaas. -> Link
You mentioned writing in german would be OK. Perhaps this document from the "Stadtarchiv Solingen" may be interesting.
Thanks a lot! Yes I have found that there havn`t been any protection of designs.
KANE KUTLER - Carl Bertram Reinh. Sohn
Es ist gut möglich, dass sowohl das von theuka abgebildete Taschenmesser als auch das von ihm verlinkte mehrteilige KANE KUTLERY Messer von der Solinger Firma Carl Bertram Reinh. Sohn hergestellt worden ist. Ein Katalog dieses Herstellers aus den 1950er Jahren zeigt beide Messermodelle und sowohl Bertram als auch andere Solinger Messerfabrikanten haben als Auftragsfertigung Messer für andere Solinger Firmen aber auch für ausländische Großhändler hergestellt.
Der von blackfox gepostete link zum Heinrich Böker Baumwerk Sportmesser zeigt eine (vorsichtig ausgedrückt) „recht unwahrscheinliche“ Entwicklungsgeschichte für dieses Modell auf: 1869 gab es solche Messer sicherlich noch NICHT. Es ist eine Tatsache, dass Kronkorken als Flaschenverschluss erst 1893 entwickelt worden sind - Kapselheber existierten 1869 eindeutig noch nicht. Dosenöffner dieser Art gab es eindeutig auch nicht vor 1900.
Many Solingen cutlers did business under contract both for German makers and wholesalers/importers from abroad, Carl Bertram was one of them.
Your linked “Kane Kutlery” multi bladed knife shows up under ref. “735 m.B.” in a 1950s Carl Bertram Reinh. Sohn sales catalog.
It is possible that Carl Bertram was the maker.
Your two bladed 8cm length pocket knife does match with two Carl Bertram Reinh. Sohn knife patters, which are illustrated under ref. no. 574 ½ and 574 in vintage sales catalogs of that cutler. You will notice that such knife patters could be altered in regards to the blade components, and as to the customer’s request a shield could be inserted as inlay of the handle slab.
I doubt. It seems to be more likely that it is a post WWII knife but I have no proof.
Anyway do not trust that Heinrich Böker Baumwerk’s “Sports Knife” information which blackfox linked under post # 12.
That ”knife history” is just a story.
It is obvious, that such a knife pattern does not date back to 1869. Bottles were sealed with a genuine cork then (the cap was invented in 1893 only), and such style of can openers did not exist at all in the 1800s.
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Es ist gut möglich, dass sowohl das von theuka abgebildete Taschenmesser als auch das von ihm verlinkte mehrteilige KANE KUTLERY Messer von der Solinger Firma Carl Bertram Reinh. Sohn hergestellt worden ist. Ein Katalog dieses Herstellers aus den 1950er Jahren zeigt beide Messermodelle und sowohl Bertram als auch andere Solinger Messerfabrikanten haben als Auftragsfertigung Messer für andere Solinger Firmen aber auch für ausländische Großhändler hergestellt.
Der von blackfox gepostete link zum Heinrich Böker Baumwerk Sportmesser zeigt eine (vorsichtig ausgedrückt) „recht unwahrscheinliche“ Entwicklungsgeschichte für dieses Modell auf: 1869 gab es solche Messer sicherlich noch NICHT. Es ist eine Tatsache, dass Kronkorken als Flaschenverschluss erst 1893 entwickelt worden sind - Kapselheber existierten 1869 eindeutig noch nicht. Dosenöffner dieser Art gab es eindeutig auch nicht vor 1900.
Many Solingen cutlers did business under contract both for German makers and wholesalers/importers from abroad, Carl Bertram was one of them.
Your linked “Kane Kutlery” multi bladed knife shows up under ref. “735 m.B.” in a 1950s Carl Bertram Reinh. Sohn sales catalog.
It is possible that Carl Bertram was the maker.
Your two bladed 8cm length pocket knife does match with two Carl Bertram Reinh. Sohn knife patters, which are illustrated under ref. no. 574 ½ and 574 in vintage sales catalogs of that cutler. You will notice that such knife patters could be altered in regards to the blade components, and as to the customer’s request a shield could be inserted as inlay of the handle slab.
I doubt. It seems to be more likely that it is a post WWII knife but I have no proof.
Anyway do not trust that Heinrich Böker Baumwerk’s “Sports Knife” information which blackfox linked under post # 12.
That ”knife history” is just a story.
It is obvious, that such a knife pattern does not date back to 1869. Bottles were sealed with a genuine cork then (the cap was invented in 1893 only), and such style of can openers did not exist at all in the 1800s.
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Thank you for your excellent and exact information!
BTW now I (we) know that there has been such 2 different cutleries as
Kane Kutlery and Kane Cutlery both in USA and Kane Kutlery have used German suppliers.
Ps. I have just bought from auction in USA a hunting knife. In item description was only mentioned Solingen Germany and a picture of a wolf. We know that it is made by Gustav Voss. After I have received it I`ll may be back with my questions. I have seen that there is very little information about Gustav Voss.
BTW now I (we) know that there has been such 2 different cutleries as
Kane Kutlery and Kane Cutlery both in USA and Kane Kutlery have used German suppliers.
Ps. I have just bought from auction in USA a hunting knife. In item description was only mentioned Solingen Germany and a picture of a wolf. We know that it is made by Gustav Voss. After I have received it I`ll may be back with my questions. I have seen that there is very little information about Gustav Voss.
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Für die beiden mit Abbildungeen verlinkten Taschenemsser gab es offenbar keine Schutzrechte, sie konnten auch von anderen Herstellern gefertigt werden.
Aber natürlich gab es hunderte von Schutzrechten für von Solinger Messerfabrikanten gefertigte Schneidwaren. Sei es für technische Verbesserungen oder Weiterentwicklungen, sei es für das Design von Messern oder auch von einzelnen Teilen.
Und die gewährten Schutzrechte wurden selbstverständlich eifrig verteidigt und in diversen Prozessen durchgesetzt.
Not for the two pocket knives in question.
Anyway there were granted some hundred protection rights for Solingen cutlers in regards to technical improvements or even concerning the desogn of complete knives or just of components.
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Aber natürlich gab es hunderte von Schutzrechten für von Solinger Messerfabrikanten gefertigte Schneidwaren. Sei es für technische Verbesserungen oder Weiterentwicklungen, sei es für das Design von Messern oder auch von einzelnen Teilen.
Und die gewährten Schutzrechte wurden selbstverständlich eifrig verteidigt und in diversen Prozessen durchgesetzt.
Not for the two pocket knives in question.
Anyway there were granted some hundred protection rights for Solingen cutlers in regards to technical improvements or even concerning the desogn of complete knives or just of components.
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Here are 3 same kind of knives from my collection
from left 1) C Lütters & Co., 2) Gebr. Richartz & Söhne and 3) Hugo Köller
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28856545@N08/4079434355/sizes/l/