Germany specific Spyderco model?

[Hocker]

I would like to see a Military (but don't call it Military!) with a sliplock and trouser-friendly scales (carbon, g10 without checkering, ..) as a supersized UK Penknife.

... or some kind of slim and lightweight two-hand backlock with clip.

100 % agree

.....and a two hand Manix. Engrave the spyderhole if necessary, but keep it "twohand".

 

[Sal]

Currently we are working on a lower cost UK.

We are also planning some prototypes of locking models, but made with a very small hole, about 7mm (like the Fixed blade models). They're all lock-backs with strong self close. Full flat grinds should make them lighter difficult to inertia open. We may lower the heigth of the "hump" as well.

Native FRN
Police
Endura FRN
Delica FRN
Stretch (FRN model)

My plan is to have them for the IWA show.

sal

 

[teachdair]

i think a 7mm hole won`t have any use, german jurisdiction is limiting the diameter to 4mm.

 

[Ookami]

i think a 7mm hole won`t have any use, german jurisdiction is limiting the diameter to 4mm.

What?! Never heard of a limitation like that. Where do you have your information from?

Btw, The prospect of having a "legal" Police or even a Stretch makes me all warm inside.

Ookami

 

[giovanni]

We are also planning some prototypes of locking models, but made with a very small hole, about 7mm (like the Fixed blade models). They're all lock-backs with strong self close. Full flat grinds should make them lighter difficult to inertia open. We may lower the heigth of the "hump" as well.

A lot of good ideas
And many models, something for everybody

 

[Sal]

i think a 7mm hole won`t have any use, german jurisdiction is limiting the diameter to 4mm.

Hi Teachdair,

I had not read that retriction in the law. Do you have a reference or quote? It would be a very important point.

7mm is very small. I will be testng the Native with a 7mm hole soon, but I would like to confirm the 4mm question.

sal

 

[teachdair]

sorry, i picked it up once and there had been no further confirmation

 

[Hocker]

Once again...

Engrave a circle, so everyone is able to identify a spyderco.

No holes for german Spydies.
No hole, no doubt.

 

[Sal]

Once again...

Engrave a circle, so everyone is able to identify a spyderco.

No holes for german Spydies.
No hole, no doubt.

Sorry Hocker, but our trademark is a round hole. an egraving does not say the same thing.

Our marks are very important to us, especially now with so many companies trying to "look like Spyderco". Even the new Victorinox "Rescue" is using an "almost round hole". That's why we've made sure to include a round hole even in our fixed blades and autos.

sal

 

[Peter1960]

IMHO a round hole or a round circle say the same thing as trademark, especially in combination with the Spyderbug as we see at your current line of knives ... though it's different thing in use.

Personally I agree with Hocker; if you like to sell knives in Germany as in the past, you have to rethink some details. Does the sales chart for Germany show an increase or decrease? I guess that's the main question for a market driven company.

 

[Hocker]

Sorry Hocker, but our trademark is a round hole. an egraving does not say the same thing.

Our marks are very important to us, especially now with so many companies trying to "look like Spyderco".

I understand this, ....but now we have this stupid law and I personally won't buy any knife that isn't absolutely legal to carry everytime.

Sorry, but good knives are too expenive to carry them as a "police-gift".

 

[frank leone]

I understand this, ....but now we have this stupid law and I personally won't buy any knife that isn't absolutely legal to carry everytime.

Sorry, but good knives are too expenive to carry them as a "police-gift".

That´s exactly my opinion!!!
A Spyderco which is not absolutely legal i will not buy.

I don´t have the nerve to discuss with a police officer weither it might be possible to open the knife with one hand by using this 7mm or 4mm hole.

No holes, no problems.
Stupid but that´s the way it is...

 

[Messerjocke2000]

If the hole is important as a symbol, why not just move it a bit. Put it under the handle when the knife is closed. That way its obviously not an opening device. Might be a bit tough to design though.

Or put the hole in the Handle itself so that the Blade is visible through it.

Kilian

 

[Sal]

I do appreciate all of the information and suggestions. It would be foolish to guess what you want.

The trademark is a round hole in a particular location of the blade which identifies the model as a Spyderco. A 7mm hole is no more than a nail nick. Most nail nicks are at least 7mm. Measuring the knives that I have with nail nicks, most are over 10mm long. The average thumb nail is more than 13mm long.

I could go as small as 5mm and still maintain trademark identity. I think it would be quite impossible to open with one hand on a 5mm hole, especially if we use a strong self close and chamfer the hole. It would require using the thumb and index finger clamping down on the hole to open, with the second hand holding the handle. It would also be ambidextrous.

If the only agreed upon solution is no hole at all, then I guess I will abandon the idea of "two hand locking" and concentrate on the clip-carry, one-hand-open, non-locking-folders (Slipits).

Thanx again for your input.

sal

 

[yotom]

I think, the only way to get certainty about 4mm/7mm/whatsoever diameter and if there can be a exception made for the spyderhole as a trademark will be to ask the authorities directly-it would be careless to change a design or the idea of a knife by hearsay.

Even if there are a lot of people here, who are deep-read in law.

And please, rethink about the titanium rookie!

Regards,

Tom

 

[Hocker]

If the only agreed upon solution is no hole at all, then I guess I will abandon the idea of "two hand locking" and concentrate on the clip-carry, one-hand-open, non-locking-folders (Slipits).

What about getting some kind of attestation from the BKA (german FBI ), for the german spydie, that a 7mm or 4mm hole is no opening device ?

That would give us the option to get our knives back.....

 

[Thehunt]

This is quite a possibility, but the outcome is unsure.

First Sal had to produce a prototype, send it in for evaluation and pay the fee.

Second is, we as users would most probably need to carry a copy of the "Feststellungsbescheid" (this is a binding written-down evaluation of weapons, including knifes in this case) to make sure even the most unknowing cop has something to fall back on, if in doubt.

Nobody says that the BKA follows the idea that a quite small hole is NO opening device.

There is to the best of my knowledge no exeption for smaller holes, so this wont fly...



I agree with Sal, better a quality Spydie-SlipIt than nothing.

 

[Hocker]

I agree with Sal, better a quality Spydie-SlipIt than nothing.

I've got an UK Penknife and I love it, but I don't need a bigger SlipIt..., because of that reason...

I really hope for a solution for a big heavy duty two hand opening spydie.
...just like my beloved Manix.

 

[Sal]

It was my understanding that the law stated that there should be no one hand opening. It did not specify what method; stud, disc, hole, spring, etc.

If we make the model so it cannot be opened with one hand (easily tested by the police), then it shouldn't be a problem.

sal

 

[Hocker]

It was my understanding that the law stated that there should be no one hand opening. It did not specify what method; stud, disc, hole, spring, etc.

That's right.

But it seems to be not really clear whether they make a difference between "built to open with one hand" or "possible to open with one hand", or not.