Germany specific Spyderco model?

If we make the model so it cannot be opened with one hand (easily tested by the police), then it shouldn't be a problem.

I think You are right.

And I understand - we started the German Penknife Thread long time ago with these words - it needs to have a round hole in the blade. That is important for Spyderco.
 
My idea I supposed earlier in a sketch: Whatever the handle or blade may look like in the end, the hole may be (partially) covered by the scales. Moving the hole to the blade's front may effect the force to open the knife.
 

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Hi Type,

It's a good idea and might work also with a small hole.

Using a large hole and submersing the hole in the handle leaves little room for a lock. It would have to be a very wide blade. Also, we have to leave enough blade exposed to be able to grab the blade with the thumb and index finger to open with two hands. I would prefer to avoid a nail nick if possible.

sal
 
It is possible to do such large holes with a lock (c.f. BM Ally); as I mentioned: move it to the point of the knife. Adding a nail nick to a covered hole isn't that hard, too. I wanted to show, that the hole may not be part of the opening action, but as you stated, a (trademarked) design element.
 
Hi Typo,

The BM is a linerlock. less space needed for the lock.

I imagine it's possible, but does weaken the blade if one uses a large hole in a narrow blade.

sal
 
Hi Sal,

I sent Eric a proposal for a "German Legal" version of the Leafstorm folder ... did you see that?
 
What I've found fascinating about Spyderco knives in the past is that their form follows function so consistently. Putting a hole in a blade simply because of trademark requirements looks like a downturn to me but as I've read some threads on BF I understand that it might be a legal necessity.

In this case only a design that would let the hole disappear behind the scales would provide enough incentive for me to buy a new Spyderco. For me and probabbly for many others it is crucial that a Germany specific Spyderco gives no cause for any kind of conflict with the police or the law.

If I felt like discussing my reasons for carrying a knife with the police I might as well carry my Manix or my Atlantic Salt. Although all my reasons to use them are justifiable I want to avoid this kind of dicussions with the police like a plague. At best they end up in inconvience and life-time lost and at worst in legal prosecution. Having to argue with a police officer about wether a 7mm hole is still to be considered an opening device or not won't change anything. Therfore only a knife that gives no cause for such discussions would be one that I would buy.

The safest way to assure that a folder displays a prima facie legality imho probably is to hide a very small hole under the scales. If Spyderco could take that route with a Germany specific folder it would be greatly appreciated.

Michael
 
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what´s about a hole, which you can
fill with a removable plug or so?
in private you can use your knife usually as a "one - hand - knife"
and in public you can (or must use) it as a "two - hand - knife",
after you take this special spyderco - plug in the famous spydie - hole?

EVERY spydie can retrofit with such a plug and so everyone
can use his spyderco, which he prefer.



only an idea...
:)
 
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Actually no bad idea, but not magnetic, it has to be screwed at least.

A magnetic plug coult be snipped away, so there is imediate access to the hole.

Why not two dishes, in function like the chicago-screws?

Just my .02...
 
good, then screwed...
it must work, that`s all!
the "spydie - plug" must make it possible,
that everyone can hold his knife, that he prefer.
besides spyderco save a lot of money, when u can
retrofit the existing knifes with this "special plug".



PS. ich hoffe, mein englisch ist nicht allzu beschissen... *schäm*
;)
 
Retrofitting a plug would be easy on a chamfered small diameter hole, too. Just take a 7mm or 4mm pin and peen it (maybe file it flat) - presto, there you go.

I am in favor of a small diameter hole, which is useless for one-handed opening. IMO, the fact that it is indeed useless for opening should be sufficient for legality - for those who are still concerned you can try to hide it under the scales.

Ookami
 
As long as you can open it one-handed, police will take it. No matter if theres a hole or if it's covered. There is an example in the law-forum: Opening pin removed, still possible to open - confiscated.
 
the german prevailing case law is to difficult
and meaningful.
the police had take my knife (caly 3) some weeks
ago and gave it me back minutes later... after i opened it with
two hands and they thought, the hole is a "cigar - cutter". ;)
 
Hi Kevin,

Yes, I did see it. but as we discussed earlier in the thread, an engraving of a circle is not really "hole", and the engraving can be buffed off.

Hi Immi,

I think it's a good idea, but again more complicated. We have a number of diffferent hole sizes, we would need a plug for each hole size. Also the plug would have to be screwed in. Part of it would stick out which could be used for leverge to open with one hand. Also the policemean could say, if you remove the plug, it's not legal.

I still think the best way to go would be to use a small chamferred hole that would be impossible to use to open the knife with one hand, but could be used to grasp the hole with a thumb and index finger to open with two hands. It would be ambidextrous as well. We would have to make the self close strong enough that inertia opening would be impossible. We would have to leave only enough blade sticking out to grasp with the finger tips, but not enough to be able to grab the hole and drop the handle.

It is a challenging problem to design such a model, but I believe it can be done to serve the German customer and still please the lawmakers and politicians.

sal
 
To be honest, I will buy one, just to support you and your gang, willing to manage all obstacles on the way ahead.

Even if happens to be not my favorite design (which remains to be seen), I´ll support your devotion to us customers.
 
For a two-handed opening knife with a hole I would like such a design:

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The hole would be at the right place to open the blade as easy as possible with two hands. To prevent dirt to be stuck in the hole, it just could be not a cut-out, but only a dent, which perhaps is etched to give an optical contrast to the rest of the blade...

mfg, stubenhocker
 
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