We do have a number of "Slipits" which are "Clip-carry, one-hand-open, non-locking-folders". Originally designed for the UK market, we have expanded the line as other countries are beginning to enforce restricted legislation on knives.
The UK Pen Knife, is currently available in non tactical colors. The "Urban" will be coming out in a couple of months. The byrd brand "wings 70mm" is a 2 blade "Slipit" and we have a very tiny slip joint model coming out in a month (1.25" blade).
I should have a Native DE model proto in-the-works, that we do not think can be opened with one hand. I hope to have it for SHOT show.
We're working on a few other protos for IWA.
sal
The UK Pen Knife, is currently available in non tactical colors. The "Urban" will be coming out in a couple of months. The byrd brand "wings 70mm" is a 2 blade "Slipit" and we have a very tiny slip joint model coming out in a month (1.25" blade).
I should have a Native DE model proto in-the-works, that we do not think can be opened with one hand. I hope to have it for SHOT show.
We're working on a few other protos for IWA.
sal
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Hi Sal,
looking forward to seeing you and the crew at the IWA. I made my hotel and train reservations yesterday.
I hope you will be able to have some Leafstorms ready by then!
looking forward to seeing you and the crew at the IWA. I made my hotel and train reservations yesterday.
I hope you will be able to have some Leafstorms ready by then!
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UKPK - familiar & checked
Urban - familiar & checked
Wings - familiar & checked
Tiny slip joint knive - what's this? I think it's not mentioned in your 2009 product guide. Please Sal, come on and give us more details ... one sleepless month is to much
I absolutely second what typo said. The Spyderhole doesn't have to disappear completely. If e.g. two thirds of the hole would be covered by the scales, that'd be a great alternative to a standard notch.
Thank you for caring!
GEB
I have noted and will remember and consider all suggestions, plugs and covering the hole are good ideas, but will require some thoughts on details.
Very observant Peter. We have a new model that will be shown at the SHOT show. It's a very small stainless steel slip joint. More of a "branding" model. It will go into your pocket with your loose change. 33mm blade length, 41mm long closed, 75mm open.
Should be acceptable just about anywhere.
sal
Tiny slip joint knive - what's this? I think it's not mentioned in your 2009 product guide. Please Sal, come on and give us more details ... one sleepless month is to much
Very observant Peter. We have a new model that will be shown at the SHOT show. It's a very small stainless steel slip joint. More of a "branding" model. It will go into your pocket with your loose change. 33mm blade length, 41mm long closed, 75mm open.
Should be acceptable just about anywhere.
sal
; Peter1960Isn't the whole discussion about one handed opening leading into the wrong direction?
One handed opening is not mentioned in $42a of the new german weapons law at all, only one handed locking is!
So as long as you need both hands to lock the blade it is be legal to carry without restrictions, even if you can open the blade with one hand using e.g. the Spyderhole.
If the UK Penknife's blade could be locked in place with a pin (I am thinking of something similar to the Extrema Ratio RAO's safety steel pin), we would have a knife that could be opened with one hand, but locked with only two hands.
One hand opening would be nearly as convenient as with the one hand knives we are used to, and it could have a locked blade whenever it is needed, just not by the flick of a thumb.
Regards,
JoBe
One handed opening is not mentioned in $42a of the new german weapons law at all, only one handed locking is!
So as long as you need both hands to lock the blade it is be legal to carry without restrictions, even if you can open the blade with one hand using e.g. the Spyderhole.
If the UK Penknife's blade could be locked in place with a pin (I am thinking of something similar to the Extrema Ratio RAO's safety steel pin), we would have a knife that could be opened with one hand, but locked with only two hands.
One hand opening would be nearly as convenient as with the one hand knives we are used to, and it could have a locked blade whenever it is needed, just not by the flick of a thumb.
Regards,
JoBe
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I really like that idea - if you carry the screw in your wallet, no one should be able to object.
But: How can you be sure that onehand-opening is okay? Because no judge has ruled anything and the word "Einhandmesser" is specifically mentioned in the law.
@ Peter1960
Then how can you have a thread spanning several pages on how to design a knife according to the german law, if the german law isn't clear enough for that?
You'll have to agree that this discussing the glitches in the law is far from being off topic, but in fact the basis for the whole discussion.
@MojoMC
Because one handed opening is simply not mentioned in the law, but one handed locking is. The law defines an "Einhandmesser" to be a knife with a one handed lockable blade. All other definitions, everything what we think makes an "Einhandmesser" an "Einhandmesser" is not relevant to the law.
Idellay the pin would be stored e.g. in the back of the grip, or somewhere else on the knife itself, so it is there when you need it.
Then how can you have a thread spanning several pages on how to design a knife according to the german law, if the german law isn't clear enough for that?
You'll have to agree that this discussing the glitches in the law is far from being off topic, but in fact the basis for the whole discussion.
@MojoMC
Because one handed opening is simply not mentioned in the law, but one handed locking is. The law defines an "Einhandmesser" to be a knife with a one handed lockable blade. All other definitions, everything what we think makes an "Einhandmesser" an "Einhandmesser" is not relevant to the law.
Idellay the pin would be stored e.g. in the back of the grip, or somewhere else on the knife itself, so it is there when you need it.
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Good question, next one.
Fact: German law is "dimmish" and an infringement is subject to interpretation. If you want legal security please clarify the law on a court ... if you like even for the term "Einhandmesser". The whole Messerforum certainly thanks you
@Mark T
The pin could have threads or clips to fix it in both places (storage and lock). It could be stored e.g. inside a small tube attached to a lanyard.
Of course replacement might be a whole new business concept
@Peter1960
I am not looking for legal security here. It is true that the discussions on the forum did not find a result, but how could they? Most of the discussion so far was more or less dealing with the legal reasons, and this indeed is the foggy part of the law that leaves room for interpretation and endless discussions.
However, I think we can agree that the law is quite clear when it comes to its (the law's) definition of an "Einhandmesser". The law defines an "Einhandmesser" as a knife with a blade that can be locked using one hand. Simple as that. It does mention neither opening devices such as holes or pins nor does it mention certain locks. In our eyes it may be a strange definition, but in fact this is the one point where the law at least is clear and not dimmish at all. So let's focus on the clear part of the law and contribute to the forum by coming up with locks that require both hands.
The pin could have threads or clips to fix it in both places (storage and lock). It could be stored e.g. inside a small tube attached to a lanyard.
Of course replacement might be a whole new business concept
@Peter1960
I am not looking for legal security here. It is true that the discussions on the forum did not find a result, but how could they? Most of the discussion so far was more or less dealing with the legal reasons, and this indeed is the foggy part of the law that leaves room for interpretation and endless discussions.
However, I think we can agree that the law is quite clear when it comes to its (the law's) definition of an "Einhandmesser". The law defines an "Einhandmesser" as a knife with a blade that can be locked using one hand. Simple as that. It does mention neither opening devices such as holes or pins nor does it mention certain locks. In our eyes it may be a strange definition, but in fact this is the one point where the law at least is clear and not dimmish at all. So let's focus on the clear part of the law and contribute to the forum by coming up with locks that require both hands.
Thanx much. We appreciate such support. We WILL create a knife for you that serves your needs and hope you like it as well.
sal
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