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Well @Myron , that’s amazing! I wasn‘t aware of such different shield rims. Checking my humpbacks i just have some with the bigger version. Even in the Böker book by Neal Punchard, you certainly know about, there‘s no small one pictured nor described.
Same with the special feature regarding reverse tang stamp with three languages. Bearing in mind the slight variations at bolsters (plain / lined) there seams to be no end to collect.
But frankly spoken I ceased to name a determined chronology.

Enjoy the day
Abu
 
Thanks @Myron for posting the beautiful photos of your very rare Böker 182 pattern knives. I hope this triggers the other collectors to show even more of their own "182" collection... In previous threads there where already discussions about dating this "Böker 182" type 'humpback' or 'camp' knife and when they first came out, I believe the oldest known advertisement is 1928? Because the Böker factory was bombed during the second world war, wich resulted in the destruction of all it's records, hence no dating is possible any more... Another discussion is the Remington R3843 'humpback' type (same as the 182 pattern), It seems that the oldest known ad for this one dates back to 1923 / 1924, so Remington could be the 'first' coming with this type of pattern and could be seen as the 'original', so Böker copied it.. ofcourse we don't know for sure (yet) but it is a very interesting discussion.. Meanwhile I hope the other forum members have gained more knowledge about these subjects and could share it?... (and more beautiful photos ofcourse ;)) greetz from Steve
('182' collector from Holland / Knifecollector68 on Insta )
 
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Hey Steve,

Great to see you here too! I'm a new member, obviously, but it is so inspiring to see the amazing collections and collector passion here.

I have a few more I'll be posting in the near future. This is a great thread, and messerforum has been so welcoming!

Myron
 
Hello @Steve182 and welcome to the forum and this special topic. (Already well known to me at Insta.)

To all experts…..
I have a very different issue to the Böker182 which is confusing me. Recently I saw an offer of that Humpback with the number 582 !!! instead of 182 on the blade. The tang stamp was BOKER (Not Ö Umlaut) and the shield just showed the tree. Never seen before such number, another miracle…..?
Certainly tried to get it but the price was beyond limits.

Abu
 
I highly appreciate all input in regards to vintage knife information, in particular in regards to this this humpback pattern and other unique pocket knife patterns being crafted by differeent & competing cutlers.
Thank you all for sharing such great photoes of knives from your collections and vintage illustrations from catalogs or advertisements.

Steve182 schrieb:
... Remington R3843 'humpback' type (same as the 182 pattern), It seems that the oldest known ad for this one dates back to 1923 / 1924, so Remington could be the 'first' coming with this type of pattern and could be seen as the 'original', so Böker copied it..
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@ Steve 182:
Are you referring to the advertisement that is showing up under post # 229 ?

twins
 
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@Abu, I think you will be well-pleased at where that 582 went... I won't spoil the secret, but let's just say it is in very good hands and this forum will likely be seeing more of it...
 
@Myron : Well, frankly spoken I expected something like that. 😉 And looking forward to that unveiled secret!

Abu
 
twins schrieb:
I highly appreciate all input in regards to vintage knife information, in particular in regards to this this humpback pattern and other unique pocket knife patterns being crafted by differeent & competing cutlers.
Thank you all for sharing such great photoes of knives from your collections and vintage illustrations from catalogs or advertisements.



@ Steve 182:
Are you referring to the advertisement that is showing up under post # 229 ?

twins
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@twins I think the old Remington advertisement under post #227
 
Hello everyone,

@Steve182 sent me this picture of his 582 so I could post it for him. It is surely the most pristine specimen I've ever seen! By the way, if there is a member who has a 582 that they are looking to sell, I would be very interested as this knife has been on my list for a long time. Thanks!

Here's Steve182's knife:

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Well ... I followed this battle from the very beginning; congrats to the winner ... and no offense meant (I have no idea) - what's so special about a knife with the number 582 instead of 182 ...? I bet there IS something special about it, though it's just an "ordinary" (very nice) Boker Sportsknife ... ;-), I suppose there have only been made ten to fifty or so ...? I mean, I'm really curious! 😃
 
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boogerbrain schrieb:
Well ... I followed this battle from the very beginning; congrats to the winner ... and no offense meant (I have no idea) - what's so special about a knife with the number 582 instead of 182 ...? I bet there IS something special about it, though it's just an "ordinary" (very nice) Boker Sportsknife ... ;-), I suppose there have only been made ten to fifty or so ...? I mean, I'm really curious! 😃
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Hi @boogerbrain first of all this is no ordinairy Böker "182 type" knife, it was for it's days (around 1930) a top of the range "deluxe model" with beautiful stag, lined bolsters and stainless steel blades (stainless was quit new technology those days) and it is in almost new condition (almost 100 years!), never used... Let's say it would have been a 182 instead of a 582, than it would still fetch this price during bidding... eather way you can see this 582 type blade edge as a cherry bonus for the real collector 😄👍🏼 p.s. there are only 4 known on internet thusfar and only one is new condition... 🤪🤙🏻
 
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Ah, now it makes sense. At that time, stainless was not the "regular" stuff for these Böker knives. I assumed that 582's are pretty rare, but didn't think of THAT rare. As I mentioned above, it is a very nice (unused) piece - and though I am not much into these sportsknives/humpbacks, this aspect is very appealing; I got only one in my collection, and it is unused, too, from Gustav Voss - I couldn't resist when I saw it ;). That one is of the same age as your 582, give or take a few years.
Congratulations to this almost unique and beautiful historic piece! (y) And thank you for the explanation. Again, something learnt ...
 
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Congrats @Steve182 for that really rare jewel of a knife! Unique number, exceptional stag, mint condition - a real cherry in the basket👍👏. And thanks for the informations to the special background of that edition.

Abu
 
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Congrats @Steve182 ... And thanks for the informations to the special background of that edition.

Abu
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Hallo Abu,

1. Auf welchen außergewöhnlichen Hintergrund ("special background") dieser Böker-Sportmesser-Edition (?) mit der Artikelnummer "582" beziehst Du Dich beim Dank an Steve182 ?

Aus den von 'steve182' hier im Vintage Knives - Unterforum veröffentlichten Beiträgen erschließen sich mir bisher leider keine belastbaren Erkenntnisse zu einer 'special edition'
# 242 "... hence no dating is possible any more.." ... somit ist keine Datierung mehr möglich ...
# 242 "... so Remington could be the 'first' coming with this type of pattern and could be seen as the 'original', so Böker copied it... "
... Remington könnte der erste Hersteller dieses (von mir ergänzt: humpback-) Musters sein, ... Böker kopierte es ..."
# 249" ...@ myron "...looking forward to that unveiled secret!" ... freue mich auf das ungelöste Geheimnis ...
# 250 " "ok 182 lovers, the secret is unveiling... @Abu @Myron" ... das Geheimnis ist ungelöst ...
# 253 (in Verbidung mit Foto post # 251 und der Modell-Nr-Markierung "582": "... no ordinairy Böker "182 type" knife, it was for it's days (around 1930) a top of the range "deluxe model" with beautiful stag, lined bolsters and stainless steel blades (stainless was quit new technology those days) and it is in almost new condition (almost 100 years!), never used... Let's say it would have been a 182 instead of a 582, than it would still fetch this price during bidding... eather way you can see this 582 type blade edge as a cherry bonus for the real collector .."

2. Woraus lässt sich eine Datierung "around 1930" belastbar ableiten?

3. Welche plausible Erklärung gibt es für die zweifellos ungewöhnliche Klingenmarkierung mit der Artikel-Nummer 582 an Stelle der 'üblichen' Sportmesser-Nr. 182 ?

twins
 
Hi @twins, ich bedanke mich für die Erklärungen von Steve zu #253. Alter scheint mir schlüssig durch Schild und BOKER. Falls es bessere Erklärungen gibt, lerne ich gerne dazu. Gilt auch für die ungewöhnliche Nummer. Vllt kommt ja noch was….

Abu
 
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